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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 5, 2009 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: fellow guitar players?

I wonder if anyone else experiences this. As I practice playing leads and do scale exercises, no matter if its blues, minors, what have you, it seems my ear has been so hard wired to Jerry that everything I play kind of unintentionally mimics his style. If I stretch out for long enough, I often find myself in a Dark Star-ish jam. Don’t get me wrong; in no way do I mean to imply I’m anywhere near his caliber, or that this phenomenon bothers me that much. I just find it pretty interesting and I suppose understandable since a fair portion of my repertoire is Dead songs. I’m getting to where I’m playing more right notes than wrong and with a little more speed. I’ve never made much effort at trying to master or copy a famous lick or lead (too lazy?) - I just noodle away or play along while listening to something.

I’ve been playing guitar on and off for 33 years; started during my first attempt at college. Got more serious and disciplined after me and the old lady split three years ago – more time to myself (too much) / less distractions. Finally started to use a pick too. Anyhow this has been on my mind and I felt like sharing. Yep.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Sep 5, 2009 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: in no time you will start hearing yourself

jerry garcia opened A LOT of doors.

he didn't just invent a style -- he cued
an entire world into recognizing a new perspective.

the key is to just keep going. if you keep going,
focused on your own mind and perspective and
not get hung up on whether you are deriving from
the same perspective as jerry garcia, then......

in no time you will start hearing yourself louder than jerry.



Mr Garcia brought it ALL together kid -- he clued us in. of course you sound like him......

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 6, 2009 4:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

Yes sir, you got that right. I used to tell folks that Jerry Garcia was the single most important influence in my life. In my new life now I don’t know many who give a hoot.
Thanks for your response – on reflection I don’t really know why I posted this – just looking for something to say perhaps. After finally breaking the ice and joining in with you guys, I catch myself thinking more about the forum during the day. Like I’ve been pondering my political views and trying to put them into words, but I think I’m out of my league. Well, now back to 9/3/72 !!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 6, 2009 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

"...I catch myself thinking more about the forum during the day. "

RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! If you dont watch out, you will end up like W Tell - and, let me tell you, that is nothing I would wish upon my greatest enemy.

seriously though, glad you have joined in more.

and yeah, i generally fiddle with the GD when playing my acoustic (and like you apparently, i generally have always fingerpicked as opposed to using a pick). Also play alot of Neil and the beatles. Although, you have been playin alot longer than me.

Lots of fun though huh?? :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2009 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

Yes, it would be truly tragic...imagine, two of me around here...hmmm, now that I think of it though, the whole "we are Gandhi" thing with BD's poll suggest YOU are already surrounded Dire!

So, watch it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 6, 2009 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

Gandhi - the lasting peace he left in his wake?

I guess drinking urine is something....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2009 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

Hey, even Gandhi would respect a little progress...we are the New Age Gandhis if you please. Besides, after we unionized in 71, a number of restrictions were put in place...no hunger strikes after > 10% body mass reduction, bodily fluids off limits, etc., etc., etc.

At least it's a living, eh?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 6, 2009 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

just poking - at least I didn't jump in the other thread with comments about how Hey Jude is possibly one of the worst songs ever recorded.

na na na!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2009 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

Likewise--na ,! (do be sure to get your punctuation down) .

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 6, 2009 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

ouh la la ,bluedevil ,W.tell, NA !

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 6, 2009 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

slowly i turned, step by step, ........


(wha?? who??? is there someone behind me?)

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 6, 2009 3:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

someone behind you ,direwolf ? It must be your own shadow wolfing along with you ,na !

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 6, 2009 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

na!

Now I get it....

http://www.na.org/

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 6, 2009 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: in no time you will start hearing yourself

best place to pick up drugs known to man (other than when the GD was touring of course)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Sep 5, 2009 6:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

Also, if you were listening to a lot of GD when you were first learning how to play, it could have rubbed off then and stayed with you...

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Sep 5, 2009 9:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

if i knew how to play guitar, i'm sure dead tunes were all i'd play, because that's all i ever listen to.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 6, 2009 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

Funny you mention, I just did a "fest" gig, an annual reunion, where there's a core band and about half a dozen different singer/songwriter types that we back. The core band plays about a dozen gigs a year and this gathering was the 30th that we've done.

I spent a lot of time woodshedding this year focusing on electric leads and between sets one of the folks said "That's some really nice Jerry Garcia stuff you got going on there." We hadn't played one Dead tune all afternoon, so the compliment, as I took it, was a little surprising.

I've never attempted to emulate anything Garcia ever did, and in fact only play a couple Dead tunes myself. The band is not Dead oriented at all, going for more stuff like John Hiatt, Jesse Winchester, David Lindley, the Band, Dylan and a bunch of rather laid back originals.

Anyway, since the disclaimer is out of the way, I'm beginning to think that Jerry's huge appeal to my ears has by osmosis found it's way into my playing. Not by copping his licks, but by having a very strong agreement with his melodic vocabulary and sensibilities.

Funny thing is that probably 15 years ago I received a comment in the same fashion from someone that said almost the same thing, only then it was Dickey Betts. So it appears as if a pattern has developed, but never by design.

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 6, 2009 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

Man I've always thought Dickey sure is a fine guitarist. Saw him & Great Southern right here in Keene at the Colonial a while back, where we've been graced by many of my faves such as DGQ, Crosby Pevar & Raymond, even ol' Robert Hunter ( my first time seeing him after many years of wanting to) just to name a few. Great Southern was by far the most kick ass rocking I've witnessed in our little theatre !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2009 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

Agreed about DB...loved him in the early 70s, but didn't stick with him over the years. Funny, but now I am trying to find out more about J Winter as I vaguely knew of his rep, but really had no idea what kind of player he was. The show we chatted about the other day really got me excited about his work, history, etc.

And, I am sure you will find this odd, but I took his "style" to be something like Jerry, NOT in the sense of literally like Jerry, but in the sense of when describing how great he was, it wasn't as easy as talking about Jimi or Jimmy or Pete; it was more his tone, his pauses, his touch...his perfect note production, etc.

Interesting...

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 6, 2009 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

WT: I'm still of the opinion that the "Richard" Betts LP entitled Highway Call was/is one of the finest "country" albums ever produced. Until recently I was unaware that it spawned a tour "The Great American Music Show" which was recorded at Winterland. This show is an awesome testament to Dickey's "team player" attitude, always allowing other talent to come to the fore.

Over the course of the last year this show, the 6-10-73 Dead show with Dickey sitting in and the 12-31-73 ABB at the Cow Palace with Jerry sitting in on a no-vocals Whipping Post jam (and more) have become regulars on the MR. Earl Jukebox.

I highly recommend this show, and believe it's out there somewhere on torrent.

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/dickey-betts-concert/2391-1830.html

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 6, 2009 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

Ha--well, there you go again! As in, YES! Agreed: that 73 NY show at the CP has ALWAYS been in my rotation! Radio broadcast that we recorded, and the sound quality was unreal, which helped make it a most listened to of all time for me, nonDEAD that is...

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 8, 2009 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

Well, though I could never even think to replicate the creativity, and completely unconventional style of Jerry, apparently, and according to my Rheumatologist, I've begun replicating the arthritis.

So, at least there's that...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 8, 2009 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

LOL

Sorry about that, I shouldn't be laughing at your pain. I too have occasional bouts of knuckle pain - mostly in my head.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 8, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: fellow guitar players?

it's not so bad yet. I do feel it when I try to play though. I've gone with much lighter guage. .09 on top. Still, it feels as though my acoustic days are numbered.